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Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.19 11:43:00 - [1] I am a gallente pilot and can't really talk about what is wrong with some of the HACs, but flying a deimos on the test server made me realize some of its major flaws. The set up I was using on the test server is as follows 5 heavy nutron blaster2s, med diminishing nos y-t8 mwd,7.5 warp scrambler, 90% fleeting webber explosive hardener2, enrgized adaptive nano2, 2 magstab2s, rcu2, med armor rep2 10% power grid rig This set up was hard hitting and a good quick tackler but it was having major capacitor problems trying to fight in the nos rich enviorment of pvp and the one nos on it was not helping it out much. Flying the astarte into battle I would fit a med electrochemical injector with 800s fitted and had alot less problems fighting the nos boats; this lead me to the idea of changing the deimos from a 6hi/3med/6low slot layout to a 5hi/4med/6low slot layout. with good skills and using rigs I could change the nos to a cap injector and would still have the tackling abilitys that make the deimos worth flying over the astarte. I know that this is not a huge issue and with a nos nerf looking like its just around the corner maybe not needed but I do think it would make the deimos into a better ship. Lastly I know I am not the person to coment on the problems with eagles and sacrilges but they seem to need help more than the deimos
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:49:00 - [2] Beat me to it, yes the nos fittings are common to pvp on the real server. But getting nossed aside, the capacitor injector would help with runing many of the high cap useage mods like mwd and armor rep at the same time when there is nothing close enough to nos.
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:53:00 - [3] Ahhhh what happend? This was not ment to be a deimos fitting discussion more a layout of slots discussion. Its great that you all have nice deimos set ups, but there are alread fourms on them so post them there. The point of this fourm was to talk about and throw around ideas about what could change to make them more useful. As I stated i think the deimos would be much better and more useful with a change on the slot layout making it a 5hi/4med/6lows. anyway any eagle pilots or sacrilige pilots that have ideas on how to improve them?
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.19 22:11:00 - [4] Edited by: Norris Packard on 19/01/2007 22:08:48 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 19/01/2007 15:43:52 Regardless of how high your skills are (and despite the slight boost in rev) the demios simply does not have enough PG to be fitted well, the Ishtar is a much better ship but you need good drone skills. I would classify the demios as more of a gang ship, as long as you dont need to fit the best guns, ALL the required modules for catching someone (MWD, Web, Scrambler), AND an incredible tank because your taking all the damage you can get a better setup and use a cap injector and drop your nos off. The deimos was given a boost to power grid and is able to support much better set ups than it could before when rigs are added in it can fit a decent tank and good weapons. The problem is that it has cap problems thats why I was wondering what people thought about giving the deimos the fourth med slot at the cost of a high slot. As I said before it is not my place to coment about ways to improve the sacrilige and eagle but if you have ideas on them you are welcome to post them, did not intend this post to be only about the deimos.
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.20 01:58:00 - [5] I dont think the sacrilige needs a 3% ROF bonus, it seems you are trying to make it mach the zealot. The sacrilige should focus more on missle use and armor tanking, maybe give it a 5% missle ROF bonus and 5% missle EM damage give it 4 or 5 missles to use. At the moment the sacrilige is just a crap zealot and it needs to find a role before it can be fixed.
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.20 10:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Karma Coma Edited by: Karma Coma on 20/01/2007 07:17:46 Do the math and you will realize that the damage neutrons do over electrons is so small, its worth squat! Im not joking do the math! Second thing to mention is that the Deimos is not a solo ship and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is the setup Ive been useing for a while and its worked perfectly the whole time. High-Slots: 1-5: Electron IIs (void/null) 6: Med Diminishing Nos (now you can fit a med nos to help with killing Frigs and keeping your cap up) Medium-Slots: 1. MWD (the fastest one you can get; sig radius doesnt matter because you dont fight with it online, just chase them down) 2. Stasis Web (Best one you can afford is recommended) 3. Cap Injector w/ 200 charges (No scrambler, yes, boohoo whine whine. You don't need it for a gang ship: let those interceptors and indictors do their job and you wont have to waste a mid-slot). Low-Slot: 1. MAR II 2-3: EANM II 4: Expo. Hardener II 5: D.C 6: MFS II Im not online right now so I cant give you the exact numbers but my damage multiplier is 5.something; I have 90 kin resist, 80 thermal (these two I know for sure), 75 EM and expo (ones actually 76 and this is with only lvl 3 on all compensation skills (Yes I know I will get too them)) I can go 1300m/s (and something) with the basic named MWD. All in all this setup can both tank and, thanks to the Deimos' great bonus', dish out a great deal of hurt! Conclusion based on my experience: Its fine as it is and as far as half the posters here go how about you actually fly the ship before you post. As far as your comment comparing it to the Astarte... TWO different ship class'... why is a cruiser better then a battlecruiser: 1. speed 2. agility 3. warps faster 4. smaller sig radius 5. much better at being support for bs by killing frigs and drones and in HACs cases other cruisers and BCs. As far as nos goes with this setup when you have a medium nos to nos back its not a problem. I was dueling my friends hyperion today and while, yes he did kick my ass in the end, it wasnt due to lack of cap despite his 2x heavy nos but because the hyperion deals damage like a m.f. when he has a target dual webbed. This was not a short fight, like I said I have 90 kin and 80 therm, so the nos helps. There is absolutly nothing wrong with this ship with the exception of the people flying it. Try to fit it in more of a tank mode - that is after all what revelations is about - give it a try and let me know what you think. I guarentee you will like it. Now go pop some of those other fools who think their neutrons will give them the upper edge when they are paper-thin for minimal damage gain. I was never comparing the speed or firepower of the astarte and deimos, I was comparing the 3 med slots vs 4 of the astarte, my point was that 1 med nos is not anywhere near as good as 1 med cap injector for what the deimos seems to be built for. The deimos discription says "Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee." Yes eve descriptions are not always the best indicator but to me the deimos is intended as a heavy close range tackler, to tackle the deimos needs the web and scrambler. The changes from kali added a greater need of tanking and shooting longer durations there is now a need for capacitor injectors. side note to Karma Coma: nutrons on my deimos have a damage mod of about 11 lol and 5.something is not "so small, its worth squat". Second; why would you ever use smaller cap charges than fit in the capacitor injector? Use 800s
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Reto the only issue i got with a deimos is its speed and its mass...its too slow and heavy for a closerange boat. compared to the vaga its a total brick to fly. It is the one of two HACs slower than their tech1 variants. And yes for a close range blaster boat speed is important.

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